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Joe Rogan

Joe Rogan

Credentials

Background

Joseph (Joe) Rogan2Rogan Family Foundation Inc,” ProPublica. Accessed August 2024. Archived .pdf on file at DeSmog. is an American standup comedian and host of The Joe Rogan Experience (JRE) podcast,3JRE,” Joe Rogan. Archived August 27, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/F2HmP the top-ranked podcast in America as of 2024.4The Top 50 Podcasts in the U.S. for Q1 2024,Edison Research, May 14, 2024. Archived August 27, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/eHIRS Rogan is also known for his role as host of the reality TV series Fear Factor on NBC from 2001 to 2006 and 2011 to 2012, and for providing commentary on the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship).5JRE,” Joe Rogan. Archived August 27, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/F2HmP

He has hosted a variety of climate change deniers or individuals opposing climate regulation on his podcast, such as Jordan Peterson, Michael Shellenberger, Bjorn Lomborg, Steve Koonin, Peter Thiel, and Randall Carlson. Rogan has also hosted individuals accused of spreading COVID-19 misinformation and vaccine skeptics, such as Dr. Robert Malone.6Hannah Towey. “Joe Rogan claims he gained 2 million podcast subscribers after his controversial episode with vaccine skeptic Dr. Robert Malone,” Business Insider, April 27, 2022. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/zO61R

Media Matters released a 2024 report discussing Rogan’s continued platforming of climate change deniers, highlighting an example of an August 16 episode featuring tech billionaire Peter Thiel, where Thiel described climate science as a “fake field.”7Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters for America. July 22, 2024. Archived August 27, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

Many people have accused Rogan’s podcast of spreading misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic.8The Joe Rogan controversy spotlights how some podcasts spread disinformation,” NPR, February 6, 2022. Archived August 27, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/zxbCE The Spotify platform removed several of Rogan’s podcasts.9Ashley Carman. “Spotify CEO Daniel Ek confirms removal of Joe Rogan episodes after n-word video resurfaces,” The Verge, February 6, 2022. Archived August 22, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/LSSuf

In 2020, Rogan took a $100 million deal to move his podcast to Spotify.10John Koetsier. “Joe Rogan Takes $100 Million To Move Podcast To Spotify, Drops Apple, YouTube,” Forbes, May 19. 2020. Archived January 9, 2022. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/YB6Bl The website jremissing.com automatically tracks episodes of The Joe Rogan Experience that have been shortened or missing from Spotify.

“The show has few boundaries, and Rogan will host guests who believe anything, as long as they’re interesting,” The National Review wrote in a largely positive discussion of the podcast.11Theodore Kupfer. “Joe Rogan’s Boundary-Free Arena,” National Review, April 13, 2018. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/mXIx8

Stance on Climate Change

March 30, 2023

Rogan commented during episode 1963 with Michael Shellenberger:12Joe Rogan Experience #1963 – Michael Shellenberger,” Uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“There’s also a there’s also a thing that’s not being addressed about the climate is that it’s never been static, ever. Never in the history of the Earth. So this idea that climate change is going to be mitigated or that some somehow or another, we’re going to be able to control it, like, are you sure? Because it seems like ice ages have always existed in great periods of melting, and global warming have always existed. Like whether or not we’re having an effect on it, that’s what we should say. Well, what is our effect? Pollutants. What are we doing? What’s what are we doing that’s negative? But this idea that if you stop, the earth is going to stay like this. It’s not.”

“Global cooling is way scarier than global warming,” Rogan added.

January 28, 2023

Rogan commented in a discussion with Jordan Peterson on episode 1933 of The Joe Rogan Experience:13Joe Rogan Experience #1933 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Joe Rogan: “It seems like this climate thing is a very rigid ideology that one must subscribe to wholesale. You can’t have any nuanced opinions on it and you can’t have any….”

Peterson responded: “Oh, it’s a religion. It’s a religion.”

[…]

Rogan: “There’s never been a time ever environmentally where the Earth was stable. […] But if you look at, like, models of, like, thousands of years, it’s never been flat. It’s always been up and down.”

August 31, 2016

Joe Rogan said in episode #841 of The Joe Rogan Experience:14Joe Rogan Experience #841 – Greg Fitzsimmons,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE.” Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“So one thing that I think it’s lost in this whole climate change debate: climate change, for the record, I think is definitely real, and I think it’s definitely being, being affected by human beings and pollution and what we’re doing to the environment. I don’t think that’s deniable. But I think, that said, we should also look at, forget about what people have done. I think just we should also be aware that this fucking thing changes, and there’s ice ages back when people were knocking sticks together and hoping to start a fire, and still create an ice age. Had nothing to do with people. The thing fluctuates. It gets weird, and you can go through periods where North America is covered in a mile-high sheet of ice like was the case 10,000 years ago.”

Stance on Covid

Rogan commented in a discussion with Jordan Peterson on episode 1933 of The Joe Rogan Experience:15Joe Rogan Experience #1933 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“[L]et’s take, for example, with nurses … nurses who had contracted Covid during the pandemic and had developed natural immunity. There was already studies that show that that natural immunity was superior to the immunity that was imparted by the vaccine, but yet they were being mandated to take this vaccine. And a lot of them had some serious apprehensions about it that were logical, based on people that they knew that had adverse reactions, and now we’re finding out more and more how common those adverse reactions were.”

Key Quotes

August 16, 2024

Joe Rogan commented on episode 2190 of The Joe Rogan Experience featuring right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel:16Joe Rogan Experience #2190 – Peter Thiel,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” August 16, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Joe Rogan: “Well, there’s certainly ideology that’s connected to climate science. And then there’s certainly corporations that are invested in this, this prospect of green energy and the concept of green energy. And they’re profiting off of it and pushing these different things, whether it be electric car mandates or whatever it is.”

[…]

Rogan: “We’re also ignoring certain things like regenerative farms that sequester carbon. And then you have people like Bill Gates saying that planting trees to deal with carbon is ridiculous. That’s a ridiculous way to do it. Like, how is that ridiculous? It’s, they literally turn carbon dioxide into oxygen. It is their food. Their food. That’s what the food of plants is. That’s, that’s what powers the whole plant life and the way we have this symbiotic relationship with them, like, and the more carbon dioxide is, the greener it is, which is why it’s greener today on Earth than has been in 100 years. These are all facts that are inconvenient to people that have a very specific, narrow window of how to approach this.”

Key Actions

August 16, 2024

Rogan hosted Peter Thiel, co-founder of PayPal and billionaire right-wing investor, on episode #2190 of The Joe Rogan Experience.17Joe Rogan Experience #2190 – Peter Thiel,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” August 16, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog. Media Matters reported that during the episode, Thiel described climate science as a “fake field” and claimed “we don’t have great accounts of why” climate change is occurring.18Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters, August 22, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

“Joe Rogan Experience #2190 – Peter Thiel.” Source: YouTube19Joe Rogan Experience #2190 – Peter Thiel,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” August 16, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“I’m not in favor of science in quotes,” Thiel said. “And it’s always a tell that it’s not real science. And so we call it climate science or political science or social science, you know, you’re just sort of making it up, and you have an inferiority complex to real science or something like physics or chemistry.”20Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters, August 22, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

He added, “I think the fact that it’s called climate science tells you that it’s more dogmatic than anything that’s truly science should be.”21Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters, August 22, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

Rogan replied, “Well, there’s certainly ideology that’s connected to climate science. And then there’s certainly corporations that are invested in this, this prospect of green energy and the concept of green energy. And they’re profiting off of it and pushing these different things, whether it be electric car mandates or whatever it is.”22Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters, August 22, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

Rogan later echoed climate change denier messaging that claims increased carbon dioxide emissions are net positive when he commented “we’re ignoring” regenerative agriculture and that “the more carbon dioxide is, the greener it is, which is why it’s greener today on Earth than it has been in 100 years.” He added, “These are all facts that are inconvenient to people that have a very specific narrow window of how to approach this.”23Ilana Berger. “Joe Rogan continues to cast doubt on climate science on The Joe Rogan Experience,” Media Matters, August 22, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/aono1

July 25, 2024

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 2180 of The Joe Rogan Experience.24Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.25Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Peterson discussed the social media training his professional group, the College of Psychologists of Ontario, ordered him to undergo after they said some of his social media posts might be “degrading.” Peterson told Rogan:26Jordan Peterson agrees to social media coaching after Supreme Court declines free speech case,” CBC News, August 8, 2024. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/xm963

“They went after me for four reasons, probably. One of them was the entire transcript of the last conversation I had with you. Right. That was submitted as a complaint because I was talking about the climate lies. They went after me because of the comments I’ve made about the trans butchers and liars, the surgeons, and the therapists who are enabling them. That’s a major part of it.”27Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Peterson continued:

“I’m not going to let a pack of ideologically addled moralists, lying moralists, who are facilitating the butchery and sterilization of children, take away my license. Not without a war. […] I’m in a prime position in Canada to undertake this battle against the woke licensing boards, because I have the money and what the hell are they going to do to me?”28Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Discussing the transition of Chloe Cole, about which Rogan commented “It’s evil,” Peterson added:29Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“It’s the worst thing I’ve seen professionals do, not only in my lifetime. I’ve studied atrocity for 40 years. I’ve never seen anything worse than what’s happening right now. And that includes the sorts of things that were done in the camps in Germany. At least the goddamn Nazis admitted what they did was wrong. They tried to hide it. We trumpet it as a moral virtue.”30Joe Rogan Experience #2180 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 25, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

The conservative publication RealClearPolitics re-posted Peterson’s remarks on gender-affirming care.31Ian Schwartz. “Jordan Peterson: ‘Gender-Affirming Care’ Is Worse Than Nazi Experiments, We Trumpet It As A Moral Virtue,” RealClearPolitics, July 27, 2024. Archived August 30, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/dRoMT

May 24, 2023

Media Matters reported that Joe Rogan’s podcast had fuelled a TikTok conspiracy theory32Kristoffer Tigue. “Joe Rogan Is Fueling Climate Misinformation on TikTok, Watchdogs Warn,” Inside Climate News, May 30, 2023. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/R9ahC falsely attributing climate change to cyclical changes in Earth’s magnetic field.33Ilana Berger and Abbie Richards. “Climate change conspiracy theory about cataclysmic changes in Earth’s magnetic field goes viral on TikTok,” Media Matters, May 24, 2023. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/zy5pU The viral TikTok thread was inspired by The Joe Rogan Experience episode 1928 featuring Jimmy Corsetti and Ben van Kerkwyk.34Joe Rogan Experience #1928 – Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1928 – Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk.” Source: YouTube.35Joe Rogan Experience #1928 – Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

March 30, 2023

Rogan had Michael Shellenberger as a guest on episode 1963 of The Joe Rogan Experience.36Joe Rogan Experience #1963 – Michael Shellenberger,” Uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1963 – Michael Shellenberger.” Source: YouTube37Joe Rogan Experience #1963 – Michael Shellenberger,” Uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024.

Shellenberger discussed the release of internal documents from Twitter, where he claimed individuals like Jordan Peterson, Bjorn Lomborg, and himself were called “super spreaders” and censored or attempted to be censored on social media platforms.38Michael M. Grynbaum. “Elon Musk, Matt Taibbi, and a Very Modern Media Maelstrom,” The New York Times, December 4, 2022. Archived September 12, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/cWanQ 39Joe Rogan Experience #1963 – Michael Shellenberger,” Uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“They have reports. They put like me, Jordan Peterson, Bjorn Lomborg, you, I mean, they put us in there. So anybody that has a social media, a big social media following, called ‘superspreaders’ and then they try to get us censored. And they did for me. They got Facebook to censor me,” Shellenberger claimed. He went on:

“[W]hen my, my book on the environment came out, Apocalypse Never, in 2020, I wrote an article that sort of summarized the book as one does. It went super viral. Then one of these shady organizations attacked it not for anything being wrong with it, but for it being, you know, misleading.

“They call it, it’s the same way that they attacked the vaccine side effect stuff. They go, well, you know, it’s accurate, it’s true, but it leads people to draw the wrong conclusions.

“The wrong conclusion being that climate change is real but not the end of the world. Or vaccines, the wrong conclusion would be maybe don’t get the vaccine or maybe if you’re, you know, whatever, under 18, or you’re, you know, a young man or 18 or if you’ve had, whatever, I mean, whatever it might be, you don’t need to be triple vaxed.

“So they’re basically using an opinion, which is you should get the vaccine, or you should think of climate change as apocalyptic as a way to, and then they kind of go to the back door and say, anything that’s being used to propagate that narrative should be counted as misinformation.”

Rogan responded, “Jesus.”

Discussing Covid, Shellenberger alluded to a “cover-up” regarding gain-of-function research. Shellenberger claimed:

“[Anthony] Fauci knew very well that gain-of-function research was not only occurring at the Wuhan lab, but that it was being funded by the US government. . .

“And then they get on these conference calls. And two of the main researchers, I believe they’re both from Scripps. They both go, yeah, I don’t know. It looks like. It could have been manufactured from a lab . . . and not from zoonotic spillover. So, so it’s even more sinister than just being arrogant. It actually looks like a cover-up.”

Rogan responded, “It looks like a cover-up. And it looks like a cover-up where the people who covered it up were compensated.”

Rogan also discussed both Covid and gender-affirming care:

“[T]hen there’s all these gender-affirming care clinics that pop up and they are enormously profitable, which is terrifying, that they have. Same as Eisenhower’s speech about the military-industrial complex. They have a vested interest in going into war. These people have an interest in diagnosing people with gender dysphoria, which is terrifying, to think that their opinions and their diagnosis would be based on something other than, what do you, what’s going on with you?

“Like, it was like they have an incentive. And that was also during Covid. There was they were incentivized to, like, give people certain medications, or were financially incentivized to put people on ventilators, financially incentivized to mark deaths as Covid deaths. Like all that, all this is so enlightening because I never would have expected that. I never would have suspected that at all before Covid, before the pandemic and all this chaos and all the things that I’ve seen, my whole view of like how the world runs is completely different.”

Shellenberger responded, “Oh, absolutely.”

Rogan commented, “It’s disturbing, and it’s thousands of people. Yeah. I mean, just the idea of doing that operation to someone and removing their ability to have an orgasm, you know, there’s people that have talked about these detransitioners. And if you’ve ever watched any of those videos, those videos are horrific. And those were censored. Those were like, censored from social media. And, you know, stopped from being able to be spread, which is crazy. You’re talking about someone’s actual lived experience with essentially genital mutilation that’s state-sanctioned.”

Discussing climate change, Rogan said:

“There’s also a there’s also a thing that’s not being addressed about the climate is that it’s never been static, ever. Never in the history of the earth. So this idea that climate change is going to be mitigated or that some somehow or another, we’re going to be able to control it, like, are you sure? Because it seems like ice ages have always existed in great periods of melting, and global warming have always existed. Like whether or not we’re having an effect on it, that’s what we should say. Well, what is our effect? Pollutants. What are we doing? What’s what are we doing that’s negative? But this idea that if you stop, the earth is going to stay like this. It’s not.”

Shellenberger responded, “Well, the funny thing is, we are probably headed towards an ice age, and then our carbon emissions, probably, it appears to have reversed that.”

To which Rogan responded, “Which is good.”

Shellenberger responded, “Which is good. And then you just don’t want to go too far.”

“Global cooling is way scarier than global warming,” Rogan responded.

“And way more people die,” Shellenberger finished.

January 28, 2023

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 1933 of The Joe Rogan Experience.40Joe Rogan Experience #1933 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1933 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.41Joe Rogan Experience #1933 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

During the episode, Peterson summarized complaints brought against him by the College of Psychologists of Ontario and also went on to describe climate change as a “partial pseudo-religion”:

Jordan Peterson: “The one complaint is about the tweet I made about Ellen or Elliot Page and when I said that a criminal physician cut off her breasts and that pride was the sin. So now I’m in trouble again because I just said the same thing. One was about a Sports Illustrated cover where they featured that overweight model, and I tweeted out ‘not beautiful,’ and, I guess that was something like fat shaming. I don’t remember exactly what the charge was.

“And then I criticized Justin Trudeau, and a former staff member of Justin Trudeau, and Jacinda Ardern. I made a joke about her coming. I was going to New Zealand, and the New Zealand leftist press was freaking out, and I made this joke about bringing my alt right trolls to New Zealand, and and then I put in parentheses: ‘or maybe they’re just, you know, ordinary people who are trying to clean up their rooms.’ So apparently that was casting the profession into disgrace.

“And then they submitted one complainant from the U.S. submitted the entire transcript of our last discussion. So, you know, I don’t know how to defend myself against that, because apparently everything I say, and apparently everything you say too, is bringing the profession of psychology into disgrace. And I think they’re most upset, in that case, about my comments about the inadequacy of climate models. And so, you know, what that has to do with my clinical practice is questionable, to say the least. And so anyways, does that cover it?”

Joe Rogan: “Yeah. It seems like this climate thing is a very rigid ideology that one must subscribe to wholesale. You can’t have any nuanced opinions on it and you can’t have any–”

Peterson: “Oh, it’s a religion. It’s a religion.”

Rogan: “Yeah.”

Peterson: “It’s a, actually it’s, it’s a pseudo, it’s a partial pseudo-religion.

[…]

“And the climate, the climate pseudo-religion is based on characterization of nature as something like a hapless, what would you call, hapless, defenseless, fragile virgin? The, the industrial activity of mankind is, is characterized as something like a rapacious, power-mad, yeah, yeah, yeah, demolisher of natural virginity and beauty. And then the human being is the individual is characterized as nothing but a, you know, a devouring mouth whose activity runs contrary to the to the untrammelled beauty of the planet, and that supports the activity of the tyrannical patriarchy. That’s basically it.”

[…]

Rogan: “There’s never been a time ever environmentally where the Earth was stable. If you got, I mean, stable, you know, currently. And kind of like, guess what the weather’s going to be. But if you look at, like, models of, like, thousands of years, it’s never been flat. It’s always been up and down.”

Peterson: “So the Earth was an ice ball many times.”

Rogan: “Many times.”

Peterson: “So yeah. Yeah.”

Rogan: “Well, Randall Carlson was saying there’s been times in our, like, distant past where the CO2 levels and the oxygen levels were so fucked up that we were close to losing all life on Earth. And then this can happen.”

Peterson: “So the, the antithesis to that is to believe in something like the Paradisal or the intrinsic Paradisal stability of well-balanced Mother Nature. It’s like, yeah, a bit, but no, not really. There’s a lot of variability, a lot. And of course that kind of variability, that’s hard on people because you want a certain amount of stability so you don’t die.”

Rogan: “Right. But it doesn’t deny that human beings have an impact on this either.”

Peterson: “No, no. Well, this is why, like this is why I really respect Bjorn Lomborg. You know, because Lomborg is hard to grasp because he forces you to think complexly. You know, he says, well, we don’t have one problem, carbon dioxide, which is, you know, I don’t even think it’s clear that carbon dioxide is actually a problem. But we can leave that aside. That’ll get me in trouble with the College of Psychologists again. But, you know, Lomborg says it’s a factor. Yeah, it’s a it’s a factor. Yeah, yeah, but there’s lots of factors. And God only knows what the most pressing problems that confront us truly are. When I, I wandered through the ecological sustainability literature about ten years ago, and, you know, I concluded a couple of things. One was that the best way forward to a sustainable planet is to make everyone who’s poor rich as fast as he possibly can.”

Rogan: “That’s Lomborg’s position too.”

Peterson: “Not to put limits to growth on, because turns out, if you get people above about $5,000 a year in average GDP, they start taking a long-term view of the future instead of scrabbling around in the dirt trying to get lunch, you know, and you’re going to burn everything up around you to stay alive if you have to. […] It means that we can have our cake and eat it too. We could work really hard to provide cheap, reliable energy, you know, at the lowest cost possible to the widest number of people worldwide. And the emergent consequence of that would be the whole planet would clean itself up.

[…]

“And I think part of the reason is I’ve been trying to understand the driving ideas underneath this globalist utopian tyranny that seems to be developing from the top down. And I think it’s driven, at least in part, by this religious vision that already described, you know, that you have to construe culture itself, especially industrial culture, as the tyrannical father raping and pillaging everything in its way, which is unbelievably dangerous way to think, too one-sided, and the, the, the idea that you have to impose limits to growth on people in order to have a sustainable planet, and that’s allied with a view that probably stems all the way back to people like Paul Ehrlich in the 1960s who really believe, really believe, truly, that maybe the planet should only have 500 million people on it, or a billion, you know, in relative poverty or 2 billion barely scraping by […].

“And so when I look at ideas like that, that first assumption, you know, the planet has too many people on it. It’s like, I don’t like to hear people say that, because when I hear that, I think, okay, buddy, who exactly are you thinking about getting rid of? Oh, well, it’s not like that. It’s like, yeah, it’s like that has to be like. It is absolutely like that. And so, you know, it’s easy to get all paranoid conspiracy theorist about the WEF [World Economic Forum], say, and maybe there’s some utility in that.

[…]

“I’ve already felt that I been at war for the last six months. And I would say it’s war, because what I observed happening in Europe when I was there last was […] it’s pretty damn clear that the globalist utopians are willing to sacrifice the poor for the sake of the planet, you know, and they’re doing that by cranking energy prices up through the roof. And that means that people die.

[…]

“It’s probably nine months ago that we’re putting 350 million people at on the brink of starvation because we’re cranking energy prices up. And so for me, it’s like, that’s 350 million people. That’s three times as many as the communists killed, you know, in their six decades of trying. And if your cure for the planet is well, you know, we got to put 350 million poor people in jeopardy just so that things are hypothetically better in 100 years, I think. Yeah, I don’t think so, buddy.

“And also, it’s a little bit too convenient for me that your prescriptions to save the planet are in company by this insistence that the only way forward to that is to give you all the power. It’s like there’s a bit of a moral hazard in that, don’t you think? It’s like I’m just saving the planet. Give me all the power. It’s like you want to save the planet. Or do you want the power? And let’s let’s put the first the second one first. Because the probability that you’re a saint or the messiah is pretty damn low. So that’s the danger, the Davos crowd.”

Rogan: “It’s a very bizarre narrative that doesn’t get challenged. And I don’t hear this very nuanced, complex perspective like what you’re laying out right now. I don’t hear that often. And no, I don’t hear it at all. I hear from you and maybe a couple other people that I actively seek out. But, you know, I think that when you’re dealing with such a complex issue that you would want to see the most brilliant minds think out, how does this play out?”

Later, the discussion turned to Covid. Rogan claimed studies showed natural immunity was superior to immunity acquired by vaccines:

Rogan: “I mean, like, let’s take, for example, nurses, nurses who had contracted Covid during the pandemic and had developed natural immunity. There was already studies that show that that natural immunity was superior to the immunity that was imparted by the vaccine, but yet they were being mandated to take this vaccine. And a lot of them had some serious apprehensions about it that were logical, based on people that they knew that had adverse reactions, and now we’re finding out more and more how common those adverse reactions were.”

November 10, 2022

Rogan had Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson as guests on episode 1897 of The Joe Rogan Experience.42Joe Rogan Experience #1897 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1897 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube43Joe Rogan Experience #1897 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

November 9, 2022

Rogan had Bjørn Lomborg as a guest on episode 1896 of The Joe Rogan Experience.44Joe Rogan Experience #1896 – Bjorn Lomborg,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1896 – Bjorn Lomborg.” Source: YouTube.45Joe Rogan Experience #1896 – Bjorn Lomborg,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Some notable quotes from the episode below:46Joe Rogan Experience #1896 – Bjorn Lomborg,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Bjorn Lomborg: “When you ask, you know, kids and young people, for instance, on climate change, they’re just terrified.”

Joe Rogan: “Yeah. That’s, that’s an unfortunate thing, because a lot of these young kids that are gluing themselves to paintings, they don’t have a real perspective. They’re like 18, 19 years old, and they really think, like they’re saving the world, because their brains aren’t fully formed, and they’ve been like devouring propaganda like it’s cheesecake.”

Lomborg: “Yeah.”

Rogan: “That’s the problem. It’s like, you know, I had on Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock yesterday and the podcast will be released on Thursday. And it’s this amazing podcast talking about moments in the Earth’s history where the Earth experienced asteroid impacts, comet impacts, and that there’s a period around 12,000 something years ago where we for sure got hit by these big impacts of either exploding in the sky above Earth or hitting the ground. And there’s plenty of, like, physical evidence of this, and it’s called the Younger Dryas impact theory. But they were talking about the rapid change in the climate, how the sea levels rose, the ice caps melted, all because we got pummeled by asteroids. Like, this shit has gone on forever. That’s just natural stuff from getting hit by space. If. If you look at like the cycles of the like, if you go back a million years on Earth and look at all the highs and lows like, oh, this thing’s never been stable. Without us even existing, it’s never been stable. So, I guess the question is, how much of an effect are we having on these wild cycles? What can you really blame it on? And what can we do, if anything, to turn it around?”

[…]

Rogan: “I get excited about this one because it seems kind of cultish.”

Lomborg: “It is. So look, if you look around and if you look back in time, absolutely there’s been huge changes. As you pointed out, you know, sea levels from, from an ice age to today has gone up what, 400ft. So, yeah.”

Rogan: “Without us even doing shit.”

Lomborg: “With nothing from, you know, our, our impact. With all that said. So that’s sort of the background, and that’s important to know. We don’t live in thousands of millions of years. We live right now. And we kind of care about what’s going to happen in the next 100 and next 200 years.

“To a large extent, also because we built all of our cities. So, you know, Austin is built in a pretty warm climate, I’m assuming. I, you know, coming from southern Sweden, I think it’s, it’s a lot warmer here than it is where–”

Rogan: “Yeah, a lot warmer.”

Lomborg: “Yeah, yeah. So, you know, cities are built to the temperature that they used to have, right, for the last 100 years. So if temperatures change, even if it’s just somewhat, it’ll be inconvenient. It’ll actually be a problem. And that I think is really why we’re talking about global warming. It’s a problem that we are causing. So we are actually changing the temperature not by these enormous amounts that you were talking about. They’re not the asteroids of the world, but there are, you know, an issue that we should be careful about and that we should pay attention to, and that we should talk about, so how do we fix it in the best possible way?”

Rogan: “Before you get to that, how do we know how much of an impact our society’s having on the overall effect? Like, if there is a warming of the globe, how do we know how much of an impact our […] is there real science that points out the amount of carbon in the emissions that we release has X amount of effect, which will equal this amount of temperature rise? Is that solidified?”

Lomborg: “So, I’m a social scientist, right. So I basically just read […] I’m one of those guys, yes. Sorry. Should I leave now? So I basically just take for granted what the UN climate panel guys are telling us. […] I think they’re really trying hard to show, that, what they typically say is between half and all of the change that we’ve seen over the last 100 years is because of us. And they sort of trended towards all is because of us. It feels like that’s possibly a little bit too much. But yeah, most of it is certainly because of us.”

[…]

Lomborg: “So really the point here is this is a problem, but it’s not the end of the world, and I think that’s really where we need to get back to in realizing this is not what is going to change our entire future, it’s going to have a negative impact, but remember, also at the same time, fossil fuels have basically made it possible for us to have the industrial revolution and become incredibly safe in so many different ways.”

[…]

Lomborg: “Fossil fuels are just an incredible boon to civilization. And then they also have this problem. And and so that’s where we need to find a way to slowly and eventually find ways to produce all of that stuff you just talked about without the negative impact of fossil fuels. And that’s going to be hard.”

[…]

Rogan: “People that fly around in private jets are the biggest hypocrites. You’re selling that, and you’re going to the World Economic Forum on a fucking jet with three people in it. Get out of here, man. You hoser! Yeah. So what is. What do you, are you conspiratorial about this push towards a climate change, or towards a climate change crisis mentality, where, you know, there was, a famous Project Veritas video with a guy who worked for CNN, and they caught him on undercover camera, and they were talking about using climate change to get people excited. I assumed he was talking about for ratings, which makes sense if you’re a producer and you work in Hollywood, you know, if the Kardashians are fighting with their boyfriend, get in there. Let’s go. That’s that’s money, right?

“That’s what you do. And if that’s happening, oh my God, the climate, like everyone freaks out. The climate, the glow in their, their hands to Picassos, oh Jesus, the climate. If that’s going to get you ratings, your job is to get ratings. Your job is not to educate the American people. You can barely figure out life yourself, right? You’re 34 years old. You got a half $1 million in student loans. Can’t believe you worked for CNN. What are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to fucking put the climate change in everybody’s face because that’s how you going to sell tickets? That’s what they’re doing.”

[…]

Rogan: “Randall Carlson said, he goes, climate change where it gets warmer. It’s not necessarily good, but climate change where it gets colder is bad. That’s bad. He said everybody’s scared about global warming. You should really be scared about global cooling.”

[…]

Lomborg: “I want to get people to understand that global warming is a problem, but it’s actually mostly a problem in the sense that the world is getting better and better. But because of global warming, it gets slightly slower much better.”

[…]

Rogan: “Do they really have an objective understanding of how much of this is a natural cycle, and how much of this is being caused by human beings. Do they have like, can they like quantify it?”

Lomborg: “So we started out talking a little bit about what what do they think it is. And again, my understanding is that they’re saying it’s a very large part is the predominant part that’s caused by global warming. But it’s also obvious that we have less good understanding of these long-term cycles. So there is some of that concern. But you know, fundamentally I think you can sort of step back and say global warming is real. It is made by man. It is a problem that we’re making. It’s not the end of the world and we need to deal with it, but deal with it smartly.”

[…]

Lomborg: “When you’re poor, life sucks in so many different ways. It also sucks from climate. And that’s, of course, one of the reasons why I think when people say, and they’re right to say, that climate is going to harm the world’s poor the most.

“And they sort of jump to the unwarranted conclusion, so we need to do something about climate. No, it’s because it sucks to be poor. We should do something about not being poor.”

[…]

Lomborg: “We can’t still tell that there’s a fingerprint from climate change on hurricanes.”

Rogan: “We can’t?”

Lomborg: “So no, we can’t.”

Rogan: “Why can’t we?”

Lomborg: “Because there’s such natural variability that you can’t say, ‘Oh, this increase or this decrease is because of global warming.'”

March 30, 2022

Rogan had Michael Shellenberger as a guest on episode 1798 of The Joe Rogan Experience.47Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger.” Source: YouTube.48Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

During the episode, Shellenberger discussed fracking and claimed, based on “new data that nobody is talking about,” that “carbon emissions globally were flat and even slightly declined over the last decade, both because of the transition from coal to natural gas and also because of less land use change, mainly less conversion of forests and grasslands into farmlands, which emits a lot of greenhouse gases as well.”49Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Shellenberger later described environmentalists who oppose nuclear energy as “anti-human”:50Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Michael Shellenberger: “So for me, abundant cheap energy is the key to sustainability. They have anti-nuclear and pretty, I would say, I think it’s fair to say anti-human environmentalists have the opposite view. Energy is what gives the fuel to the cancer of human existence. We need to de-grow the economy, and basically, that means choking off our power source, our power supplies at their source.” 51Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Joe Rogan: “So when you say by anti-human, you mean people that want to like decrease the human population?”52Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Shellenberger: “Yeah, decrease the human population, reduce.”53Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Rogan: “Isn’t that something that Bill Gates has talked about as well?”54Joe Rogan Experience #1798 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

February 11, 2022

Rogan had Steve Koonin as a guest on episode 1776 of The Joe Rogan Experience.55Joe Rogan Experience #1776 – Steven E. Koonin,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1776 – Steven E. Koonin.” Source: YouTube.56Joe Rogan Experience #1776 – Steven E. Koonin,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Rogan and Koonin discussed Koonin’s book on climate change:57Joe Rogan Experience #1776 – Steven E. Koonin,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Joe Rogan: “You believe the climate is changing.”

Steve Koonin: “Climate is changing.”

Rogan: “Believe that human beings are having an effect.”

Koonin: “They are influencing those changes. Yes, absolutely. Mostly through greenhouse gases that are accumulating in the atmosphere. Absolutely.”

Rogan: “Your position, though, is that there’s an either an exaggeration or there’s a way that people are looking at the data that’s alarmist, that you don’t think is reflected by the actual numbers themselves.”

Koonin: “That’s correct. I think, you know, to put it in a British sense, they have over-egged the custard.”

[…]

Rogan: “Now, if you think that human beings are affecting the climate and you think the climate is changing, what percentage of an effect are human influence?”

Koonin: Yeah. So, you know, I think we don’t really know that. The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, in its last report in August, said, you know, it’s all human-caused in the last many decades. All of it. But, you know, they completely forget that the climate was changing at comparable ways well before human influences became important. And so they say, no, no, we we’re going to ignore that. We’re going to suppress it and say it’s all human-caused.”

On melting sea ice, Koonin suggested it was due to natural variability:58Joe Rogan Experience #1776 – Steven E. Koonin,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“There’s no doubt that if the globe keeps warming, that that warming might eventually come to dominate the ice loss, the melting,” Koonin claimed. “But right now and for the foreseeable many decades, it is these natural variabilities. And instead, in the media, all you hear is that it’s been melting faster and faster over the last two decades.”

Koonin later critiqued the film An Inconvenient Truth:

“Most of the predictions, you know, that hurricanes are going to get more intense, so we’re going to see more droughts and floods and so on. Almost all of the high-impact things don’t show any long-term trend. They’re all within natural variability.”

Speaking on net-zero transportation goals in California and comments made by Governor Newsom:

Koonin: “It conflates carbon pollution, and I hate that word because CO2, which is what they’re talking about, is essential for plant growth. The more CO2, the more plants grow, all right? So, in that sense, it’s not at all.”

Rogan: “Is that an inconvenient truth?”

Koonin: “Yes, that’s … And you know, the Earth has gotten 40% greener since 1980.”

Rogan: “Yeah, I heard about that from Randall Carlson. Yeah. He explained that to me.”

[…]

Koonin: “And, you know, crop yields have been going up steadily since 1960. A lot of that is agronomy that we’ve gotten better at farming. We’ve gotten better genetic strains of plants, but some of it also is more CO2. Plants love CO2. We put CO2 into greenhouses to get them to grow more. They also love warmer temperatures and longer growing seasons.

“And so, for example, I don’t like to cite, you know, this year, etc., but I will in this case, you know, India has seen record grain harvests this year more than any other year. And long term over the world the yields have been going up. Okay. Because it’s getting warmer, we’re getting better at agronomy, and there’s more CO2.”

Rogan: “Is there a point of diminishing returns? Like is there a point where there’s so much CO2 in the atmosphere that then it becomes detrimental?”

Koonin: “Yes, so there’s a lot of controversy about that. Some people say, you know, eventually you’re going to be limited by water or nutrients in the soil. But we haven’t seen it yet. All right.”

Koonin suggested adaptation as the response to climate change:

“What I think we will do, looking at all the drivers, is we’re going to adapt. That’s going to be the main way in which we will respond to a changing climate. And, you know, adaptation has got a lot of things going for it. It doesn’t matter whether the climate is changing because of human influences or because of natural phenomena. It’s proportional. If the climate changes a lot, we’ll adapt a lot. If climate changes a little, we’ll adapt a little. Adaptation is local, and so it’s much more palatable politically. You’re spending for the here and now and not for something halfway around the world and a couple generations away. And it’s also very effective.

“Consider the following that the globe, as I showed you, has warmed about a degree centigrade, two degrees Fahrenheit since 1900. During that time, we’ve seen the greatest improvement in human welfare we’ve ever had. The population in 1900 was 2 billion people. Today, it’s almost eight, so it’s gone up by a factor of four. And we’ve seen spectacular improvement in nutrition, in health, in literacy, etc., etc. Right. To think that another 1 or 1 and a half degrees is going to completely derail that just beggars belief.”

[…]

Rogan: “Now, when you talk about adaptation and you talk about the rise in the global temperature, so if it does rise up a couple degrees, what sort of adaptation will be required, and what areas of the world, or at least of our country, will actually benefit from a warming? Is that is that a real factor?”

Koonin: “Yea, sure. I mean, you know, again, because the projected economic impact is pretty small, there are going to be winners and losers. All right. And I would say the southern parts of the U.S. are going to get warmer. The northern parts will become more temperate. And so Kansas, the Dakotas, Montana, etc. would become a little bit more temperate. Agriculture will probably shift north, as it’s already happening. You change the genetics of what you’re growing, you change the agronomic technologies, and we’ll do just fine. And, we’ve already been warming a degree a century, and, I don’t see that there have been great disruptions.”

February 5, 2022

Rogan had Randall Carlson as a guest on episode 1772 of The Joe Rogan Experience.59Joe Rogan Experience #1772 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1772 – Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube.60Joe Rogan Experience #1772 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Some notable quotes from the episode are below:

Randall Carlson: “I think part of the problem is that what we’ve been looking at here has been kind of pushed off the radar screen, because the whole emphasis for the last couple of decades now is, you know what? Global warming. That, you know, we’re responsible for catastrophic climate change.

“What you don’t want to really be talking about too much is that there has been repeated episodes, too many to count, episodes of catastrophic climate change that we had nothing to do with. We were not the perpetrators. We were the victims.”

[…]

Rogan: “But like when people are talking about global warming, there’s many things that they’re concerned with. But one of the things that they’re concerned with is the cities, like Miami, that are like, in porous, porous ground that are right on the coast, like then, that’s going to go underwater in 20 years.”

Carlson: “If. If the ocean levels keep rising. If they do. However, I … I’m a bit skeptical because … I won’t pull it up now, but I could pull up and show you probably 500 articles on the importance of the sun in warming and cooling that have been mostly ignored in the IPCC’s models and projections of climate change.

“And if we go into another solar minimum, like the Maunder Minimum or the Spörer Minimum, yeah, we’re in for decades of cold weather and we’re going to see ice growing again.”

[…]

Carlson: “In the early 90s and stuff, the assumption was that the sun was not playing a role, and so we don’t need to look at the sun. If you eliminate all the natural variables until only carbon dioxide is left, and that’s pretty much where we’re still at, because by the time you get into the 2000s and it was becoming apparent that the sun was actually a much more important factor in climate change and had been acknowledged. By that point, it had already, the whole scenario had already become entrenched, and you now had huge amounts of money being poured into that whole scenario.”

January 25, 2022

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 1769 of The Joe Rogan Experience.61Joe Rogan Experience #1769 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 17, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1769 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.62Joe Rogan Experience #1769 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 17, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.


Rolling Stone published a critique of the interview, highlighting Peterson’s comments on Climate Change.63Jack Crosbie. “Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson Wax Idiotic on Climate Change and What It Means to Be Black,” Rolling Stone, January 26, 2022. Archived August 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/QCFxK

Below are some excerpts from the episode:

Jordan Peterson: “There’s no such thing as climate, right? Climate and everything are the same word. And that’s what bothers me about the climate change types. It’s like … this is something that bothers me about it technically. It’s like … climate is about everything. It’s … okay … but your models aren’t based on everything. Your models are based on a set number of variables.”

Joe Rogan: “Yeah.”

Peterson: “So that means you’ve reduced the variables, which are everything, to that set. Well, how did you decide which set of variables to include in the equation if it’s about everything? And that’s not just a criticism. That’s like, if it’s about everything, your models aren’t right, because your models do not and cannot model everything.”

Rogan: “What do you mean by everything when you say–”

Peterson: “Well. That’s what people who talk about the climate apocalypse claim In some sense. We have to change everything. It’s like everything, eh? Okay … what? And the same with the word environment. That word doesn’t mean … it means so much, that it actually doesn’t mean anything. Like when you say everything, in a sense that’s meaningless, right? Because … well, what are you pointing to? Well I’m pointing to everything. Well, what’s the difference between the environment and everything? There’s no difference. What’s the difference between climate and everything? Well, there’s no difference. So this is a crisis of everything. It’s like, no, it’s not. Or if it is … well, if it really is, then we’re done because we can’t fix everything. But we have to.”

Peterson later discussed fracking, which Rogan admitted “does have issues”:

Peterson commented, “Everything pollutes something. And so, so the idea that there’s any source of energy that we can derive, that’s not going to produce some pollutant as a consequence? That’s the kind of nonsense you hear from people who say things like, net zero. We’re going to hit net zero by 2050. It’s like, no we’re not.”

In a later question he posed to Peterson, Rogan described the materials used in electric vehicle batteries as “conflict minerals”:

“I still want to, like … we’ve kind of like … you went on these rants, so I want to, like, bring you back to, like, this idea of climate, environment,” Rogan said. “We should be concerned not just about particulate pollution, but shouldn’t we be concerned about the effect that we’re having on the CO2 that were released in the atmosphere? Now, from what I’ve read, it has an impact. They don’t exactly know what percentage of an impact it has, but it’s most certainly something that we can reduce. What I’ve also read, is that one of the problems is when people start talking about like electric cars is that is literally impossible for … there’s not enough minerals. And what what the these conflict minerals they use for these batteries, there’s not enough, to give a car, is like as many cars as we have in this country, as many cars there are in the world that are mostly internal combustion engines. If we replace those with battery-powered cars, I don’t think that’s possible.”

October 14, 2021

Rogan featured Michael Shellenberger on episode 1719 of The Joe Rogan Experience.64Joe Rogan Experience #1719 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1719 – Michael Shellenberger.” Source: YouTube.65Joe Rogan Experience #1719 – Michael Shellenberger,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” June 27, 2024. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

During the episode, Shellenberger claimed his book Apocalypse Never was “censored” and that “other people that write about climate change are being censored” on social media.

When Joe Rogan asked specifically how Shellenberger’s article about his book was censored, Shellenberger responded:

“They put a, like a warning label on the article that was being shared. That was the initial article announcing the book, saying ‘this contains misleading and false information.’ It’s not true. Didn’t contain a single piece of false information. And ‘misleading’ is a really subjective thing, right?”

Shellenberger went on to discuss his views on the severity of climate change:

“My view is, the drug crisis is objectively a much bigger threat to human life and to civilization than climate change. Like we’re adapted really well to climate change. We should do something about it, it’s real, there are risks associated with it, but like, there’s no scenario in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change of climate change killing 93,000 Americans a year. In fact there’s no scenario of it killing … of it increasing deaths from natural disasters at all.”

They went on to discuss environmentalism as a form of religion, which he covers in his book:

Michael Shellenberger: “As we stop believing in traditional religions, we still have a fear of death. We still have a need to believe in some higher power. And so we make new religions. And the problem with the new religions, whether it’s climate apocalypse–”

Joe Rogan: “Wokeism.”

Shellenberger: “Or wokeism. Or victimology. The problem is that the people that are … that are the adherents to those new religions don’t think that they’re promoting a new religion. They think that they’re ‘just being more compassionate’ or ‘I’m just being more sensitive’ or whatever.”

Rogan: “Yeah.”

Shellenberger: “So they’re actually more dogmatic than the people in the traditional religions because, you know, you meet people that have even evangelical views, they’ll always be like, ‘Well, you know, I am an evangelical Christian, right?’ So they have some awareness of it, but folks that are … they don’t like … these people don’t go, ‘Well, I am an apocalyptic environmentalist.'”

[Rogan laughs]

Shellenberger: “What they say is, they go … they go, ‘I’m more aware of the science’ or, you know, ‘I’m … I just love nature and I just care about poor people more than you.’ It’s always cast in some sort of highly charged moralizing framework.”

November 29, 2018

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 1208 of The Joe Rogan Experience.66Joe Rogan Experience #1208 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 29, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1208 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.67Joe Rogan Experience #1208 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 29, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Rogan and Peterson discussed gender equality, among other issues, in the episode:

Joe Rogan: “I’m very curious about this, because this idea of, enforced equality, right, ensuring that there is such a high emphasis placed on equality, that you have the equal amount of men, and equal amount of women, and the opportunities are absolutely available as much to women as they are to men, this is enforced, that this creates an environment where there’s less resistance now, an environment where there’s less resistance. Perhaps women don’t feel as compelled to say, ‘I’ll show you.'”

Jordan Peterson: “Yeah, that’s … that is what seems to happen.

[…]

“We have this reflexive idea, and this is very much the case because this is like the core idea among the feminist neo-Marxist types is that if there’s differences in outcome, that’s … that’s proof of prejudice and that support for the idea of the patriarchal tyranny, and that’s like the core axiom of the radical left is the patriarchal tyranny, as far as I’m concerned. That’s God for them, the patriarchal tyranny. It’s like, well, if it turns out that many of these differences in outcome between men and women aren’t a consequence of the patriarchal tyranny, in fact, even get bigger when you reduce the tyrannical aspect of the patriarch and even the patriarchal aspect to it, then it makes that theory not only wrong, but opposite of the truth, which is the worst kind of wrong.

[…]

“Men are more likely to work outside. They’re more likely to work in dangerous businesses. They’re more likely to run full-time businesses rather than part-time businesses. And, they’re more likely to move in pursuit of their career goals. And that all contributes to differences in … and in among Uber drivers there, they make 7% more money because they drive faster. So. And so anyways.”

Rogan: “That’s not good though.”

Peterson:”Well no but it’s a high-risk high-return issue, right.”

Rogan: “I mean it’s a pattern male the…common male pattern.”

Peterson: “It’s more risk. There’s more risk in it. So there’s more return as long as you don’t get hurt.”

Rogan: “Right.”

Peterson: “And I think that’s a pretty common male pattern, is there’s more risk is there’s more return as long as you don’t get hurt.”

[…]

Rogan: “The problem seems to be … when discussing these things … in any way romanticizing, or glorifying male behavior, or putting any emphasis whatsoever on there being a positive aspect to a lot of the things that we think of as being negative, like aggression or ambition or competition. Competition amongst men is fine. Competition with men against women is often thought of as cruel.”

Peterson: “Yeah… Well that… Yes, well and … and there’s a certain amount of reason for that, as well, because obviously physical competition is … it’s easy for that to border on cruel.”

Rogan: “This is why we were … we were talking before the show … that instead of calling people ‘men’ and ‘women’ when referring to like … because there’s … there’s this very disturbing, in my opinion, trend of transgender women entering into these competitions now with women who are biologically female, and dominating them, and that, instead of calling people, ‘men’ and ‘women’, let’s dispense with that.”

[…]

Peterson: “And you know that the issue with men, I think with young men, and this is one of the things I’ve been trying to address, is that if your fundamental presupposition is that our culture is a patriarchal tyranny, which is an appalling presupposition, along with the idea that the best way of looking at history is that it was the oppression, the continual oppression of women by men, which is also something that I regard as an absolutely reprehensible doctrine. Then, okay, so it’s a patriarchal tyranny.”

Rogan: “But that in their defense, that did exist, there has been continual oppression of women. It’s just not the only thing that’s happened. There’s certain women that have been revered. There’s been women that have been celebrated, there’s been women that have accomplished great things, but there’s been a lot of oppression. So if they concentrate primarily on that oppression, and that’s their main point of study, and that’s the thing they want to talk about all the time, they kind of have a point in the fact that if you’re looking at all the events that have ever taken place, there’s a significant number of them that have been women being oppressed.”

Peterson: “Yeah, but I don’t know. I don’t know if there’s more women who’ve been oppressed than men who’ve been oppressed.”

Rogan: “A very good point.”

July 2, 2018

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 1139 of The Joe Rogan Experience.68Joe Rogan Experience #1139 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 2, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1139 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.69Joe Rogan Experience #1139 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” July 2, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

During the episode, Peterson discussed the anti-discrimination legislation Title IX:

Jordan Peterson: “So Title IX… Title IX originally was just a piece of legislation that that ensured that women would have equal access to sports events and so forth at the universities. That’s what it was designed for. But it’s become this umbrella legislation that pushes equality of outcome essentially across every possible dimension in the universities. And it’s been used as a weapon by the radical left. But, you know, some of that’s driven by legislative necessity. […]

“The reason that I think this is coming from the universities is because I don’t think that this could. Well, there’s all these activist disciplines that are essentially subsidized by too-high tuition fees and also by state funding, and they’ve produced an entire substructure of of activists. And those activists are doing everything they can to lay out the theoretical structure for the radical left, and that’s a that’s a structure that involves… There’s buzzwords, right? Diversity is one. But that means diversity by race and ethnicity and sexual preference, for example, as if those have anything to do with genuine diversity of ideation. And they don’t. And there’s no evidence that they do.

Inclusivity. I’m never even sure what that means. Equity, which is a marker for, what would you call it? It’s a code word in some sense for equality of outcome, which is an absolutely deadly doctrine. I think of all the mistakes that the radical left are making and the moderate left for not calling them out on it, the equity doctrine is at the top of the list. And then there’s other associated things like white privilege that’s a good one, and systemic bias, and, which is an absolute embarrassment from the perspective of a, of a reasonable academic psychologist, because psychological tests have been used to prove that there’s this implicit bias that that lurks everywhere, and the tests aren’t reliable and valid enough to make that claim …”

January 30, 2018

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 1070 of The Joe Rogan Experience.70Joe Rogan Experience #1070 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” January 30, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1070 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.71Joe Rogan Experience #1070 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” January 30, 2018. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

In the episode, Rogan said Peterson had been “villainized”:

“You are villainized in a weird way, where, I can’t believe that these people are honestly looking at your opinions and coming up with these conclusions. I can’t help but feel like what is happening is people are consciously deciding to ignore reality and paint you as this archetypal figure of oppressive, white male patriarchy, ignorance … fill in the blank with all the rest of the descriptives that you’d like to use. But they’ve decided to paint you in this way, like as a target, because they need a target to sort of reinforce this idea that transgender people are being victimized and women are being victimized.”

September 1, 2017

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson and Bret Weinstein on episode 1006 of The Joe Rogan Experience.72Joe Rogan Experience #1006 – Jordan Peterson & Bret Weinstein,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” September 1, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #1006 – Jordan Peterson & Bret Weinstein.” Source: YouTube.73Joe Rogan Experience #1006 – Jordan Peterson & Bret Weinstein,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” September 1, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

May 17, 2017

Rogan had Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, and Michael Shermer as guests on episode 961 of The Joe Rogan Experience.74Joe Rogan Experience #961 – Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson & Michael Shermer,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 16, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #961 – Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson & Michael Shermer.” Source: YouTube.75Joe Rogan Experience #961 – Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson & Michael Shermer,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 16, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

May 9, 2017

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 958 of The Joe Rogan Experience.76Joe Rogan Experience #958 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 9, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #958 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.77Joe Rogan Experience #958 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 9, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

In the episode, Peterson discussed the protest at his scheduled debate at McMaster University. Peterson said:78Dave Beatty. “McMaster debate with controversial professor Jordan Peterson disrupted by activists,” CBC News, March 19, 2017. Archived March 29, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/02Qwl#selection-699.0-699.83 79Joe Rogan Experience #958 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 9, 2017. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“A lot of the people who were protesting were standing behind a hammer and sickle banner, you know, which just absolutely amazes me because… I still haven’t been able to quite figure this out. I can’t figure out why you couldn’t do that with a Nazi symbol, but you can do that with a hammer and sickle. You know, there’s a reason. Maybe it’s because the Nazi doctrine was so explicitly racist, but God, it’s not like the hammer and sickle wasn’t equally murderous, or actually quite profoundly more murderous, as it turned out.”

Rogan and Peterson went on to discuss Peterson’s criticism of Bill C16:80Nina Dragicevic. “Canada’s gender identity rights Bill C-16 explained,” CBC. Archived September 15, 2024. Archive URL: https://archive.ph/8vwdH#selection-607.0-607.15

Jordan Peterson: “Well, with Bill C16, which was the bill that I was complaining about, or criticizing, let’s say, there’s a variety of surrounding policy documents that are derived from the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and they they indicate quite clearly that you’re to regard biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual proclivity as varying independently, which, of course, they don’t by any stretch of the imagination. They’re so tightly correlated that, well, you can’t use correlation to imply cause or to infer causality. But Jesus, when the correlations are above 0.95, you have to start wondering if there’s actually not some causal link, and it’s absurd to me that we really even have to have that discussion. But the notion… And this is being taught to school kids. This is mainstream doctrine, Joe. I mean, the gender … look up the gender unicorn, that’s a fun thing to look up. I mean–”

Joe Rogan: “What is the gender unicorn?”

Peterson: “The gender unicorn is this little happy symbol that’s being marketed to, to children, you know, in elementary school, describing to them the fact that biological sex, gender identity, gender expression, and sexual proclivity vary independently. They’re going after them very young. And so that’s part of the, that’s part of the school system now, in many, many places.”

Rogan: “So in many ways it’s sort of an indoctrination. […]”

Peterson: “You might say that.”

November 28, 2016

Rogan featured Jordan Peterson on episode 877 of The Joe Rogan Experience.81Joe Rogan Experience #877 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 28, 2016. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #877 – Jordan Peterson.” Source: YouTube.82Joe Rogan Experience #877 – Jordan Peterson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 28, 2016. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

During the episode, Rogan and Peterson discussed alternative gender pronouns:

Jordan Peterson: “Well, I think it’s partly. It’s partly a form of narcissism.”

Joe Rogan: “Yes.”

Peterson: “It’s partly a consequence of the reach of the rise of the new rise again of, say, Marxist doctrine, I would say it’s part of postmodernism.”

[…]

They went on to discuss discrimination:

Joe Rogan: “Yeah, you’re oppressed, or your opinions rather are suppressed, and you are automatically put into this category of people who should be dismissed because of the fact that you have white privilege. You should step back and let others talk. You should step back. And this is a narrative that gets repeated over and over again in the social justice warrior culture. This idea that you should just step back and let these others talk because they understand.”

Jordan Peterson: “Yeah. And the others are always other group members. Right. And somehow their, their discourse is to be privileged in reverse, because hypothetically, they’re a member of an oppressed class. Of course. And you can multiply the numbers of oppressed classes ad nauseam, which is another part of the problem.

Rogan: “Yeah. Like the idea is that in giving them privilege because they have been marginalized, you will balance things out. You will somehow or another reverse this.”

Peterson: “Yeah. But and that’s another example of the class-based guilt idea. You know, it’s, it doesn’t seem to me self-evident that I’m to blame for slavery, for example. I mean, being a Canadian, it’s a slightly different situation, I suppose, but the the idea that as the member, as a member of a culture that you’re somehow responsible for the past sins of that culture, let’s say it, it’s a very, very anti-Western ethos.”

Peterson later discussed some reasons why he believes there are differences in average men’s and women’s incomes:

Rogan: “Well, there’s also a very disingenuous way of framing it here in America, where people consistently, even the president of the United States, Obama, always talking about income inequality and the way they frame income inequality. They talk about the $0.79 to the dollar. But what they don’t discuss is that we’re talking about completely different careers. The way they frame it … they frame it as if two people are working side by side. One is a man, one is a woman. They’re both doing the same job. The man makes a dollar. The woman makes $0.79. That is not the case.”

Peterson: “It’s typical of ideological conversation because what happens technically … like imagine that again … we talked about poverty a few minutes ago, and you said, ‘Well, there’s there’s many, many reasons that one person might have more money than another.’ There are many, many reasons why women might make less money on average than men. There are small businesses that women run, for example, make far less money than men’s, than small businesses that men run. But that’s partly because a lot of women run their businesses part-time because they have kids.

“It’s also partly because men do all the horrible, dangerous jobs. The ones where there’s a high chance of dying. Men are much more likely to work outside. Men are much more likely to move in in pursuit of a career opportunity. There are lots of reasons that men and women differ in terms of their income. But if you’re an ideologue, you can only handle one variable. Oh, men and women measured en masse don’t have the same incomes, therefore the system is corrupt. Jesus. How much thinking does it take to come up with a with a theoretical scenario like that? It’s so boneheaded and it just runs. It just pushes the ideological. It just pushes the ideology forward with no thought.”

November 16, 2016

Rogan had Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson as guests on episode 872 of The Joe Rogan Experience.83Joe Rogan Experience #872 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 16, 2016. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #872 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube.84Joe Rogan Experience #872 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 16, 2016. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Notable quotes from the podcast below:

Graham Hancock: “Many, many scientists have got a vested interest in what is called uniformitarianism or gradualism. And they don’t like to hear about cataclysms having any major impact on the story of life on Earth.”

Joe Rogan: “So is it sort of the the momentum of these initial desires to escape religious influence that have sort of led them down this path?”

Hancock: “Yes. And then there are others who have a vested interest in current accounts of global warming. There’s others who have a vested interest in extinctions taking place. Now, they want to say that our ancestors were responsible for the extinction of all the mammoths and mastodons and so on and so forth. Whereas the comet research group scientists are saying no, those huge megafauna of North America were wiped out as a result of the massive series of impacts on the North American ice cap.”

[…]

Randall Carlson: “Absolutely. And like Graham mentioned earlier, there’s kind of a … it went from a religious motive, I think, in the 19th century. And now it’s more a political motive. And again, the idea that every day you’ll find something, you know, coming from various factions that oh, we’re destroying the Earth, and the Earth has never suffered this kind of, you know, assault on it before. And, and, you know, we’re causing the sixth great mass extinction, and we’re going to cause catastrophic global warming if we pump another 50 or 100 parts per million of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

“And so what that has done is, like many, I won’t say many, but several of the scientists now that have been in the forefront of criticizing the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis are also very much involved in the global warming movement and the idea that we are now precipitating the sixth great mass extinction. Having looked now at mass extinctions, and been a really an obsession of mine for about 30 years now, I’ve looked at everything from the Cretaceous Tertiary, the Permian, Triassic, you know, right on down the line to the most recent one, which to me is really in some ways the most interesting, because the most recent mass extinction that we’re talking about is the one that took place while we humans were part of the story.”

November 19, 2015

Rogan had Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson as guests on episode 725 of The Joe Rogan Experience.85Joe Rogan Experience #725 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 19, 2015.

“Joe Rogan Experience #725 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube.86Joe Rogan Experience #725 – Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” November 19, 2015.

Rogan and Hancock discussed Hancock’s comments on climate change:

Joe Rogan: “You know, this speaks to how people have a hard time accepting some of this new information. I have a friend who’s a scientist, and the last time you were on, she said to me, did you have a climate denier on your show, a climate change denier? And I said, he’s definitely not denying it. No. But some people, that’s all they hear when you bring forth a non-mainstream point of view or controversial perspective. Instead of considering the possibility, it almost immediately gets dismissed as well.”

Graham Hancock: “This climate change thing is another ideological struggle. Yeah, sure, climate change is taking place, but what are the causes for this, you know? Are we so sure that it’s all caused by human beings?

“I would say there’s very good reason for humanity to clean up our act in lots of ways regardless of the issue of climate change. […] But to say that we need to fix our behavior because of global warming, that’s an ideological argument. And that argument remains to be properly tested. Yes, global warming is occurring, but are we the cause of it, or is something else, some some grander scale, cosmic effect involved in this?”

Randall Carlson: “We talked about that considerably, and I noticed in a lot of the comments from, from our last discussion, most of the critical comments were people, you know, not liking the idea that I had questioned the dogma of global warming. But there are some facts that you can’t escape. The global warming began 200 years ago, and we see that the glaciers from the Little Ice Age began to shrink back in the early 19th century, before there was, you know, a century before there was any significant human contribution of CO2 to the atmosphere. So something was driving that warming that began.”

February 2, 2015

Rogan had Randall Carlson as a guest on episode 606 of The Joe Rogan Experience.87Joe Rogan Experience #606 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” February 2, 2015.

“Joe Rogan Experience #606 – Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube.88Joe Rogan Experience #606 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” February 2, 2015.

Speaking of climate change in glacial periods, Carlson commented:89Joe Rogan Experience #501 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 15, 2014. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Randall Carlson: “We’re scared of two degrees. And here … we’re looking … we’re scared to two degree centigrade. Here we’re looking at five, six times that much in a matter of a couple of years, you see. At this point, we don’t really have an explanation for this. That’s why I get really frustrated when somebody says to me, oh, the debate on climate change is over. No, no, no, we’re in the infancy of understanding the climate of this planet.”

May 16, 2014

Rogan had Randall Carlson as a guest on episode 501 of The Joe Rogan Experience.90Joe Rogan Experience #501 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 15, 2014. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

“Joe Rogan Experience #501 – Randall Carlson.” Source: YouTube.91Joe Rogan Experience #501 – Randall Carlson,” YouTube video uploaded by user “PowerfulJRE,” May 15, 2014. Archived audio on file at DeSmog.

Carlson commented on the episode:

Randall Carlson: “My problem with so much of the stuff that’s coming out in mainstream media, which is coming through the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, is simply that when, when they were instituted back in the early 90s by the United Nations, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change basically gave them a mandate, which is demonstrate that humans are causing climate change, right.

“So they focused exclusively on carbon dioxide. But there’s all kinds of other things going on. For example, cosmic rays are constantly bombarding the Earth, right? Cosmic rays produce clouds, the more of the, cosmic rays penetrate the atmosphere, the more, low-altitude cloud cover there is. Low-altitude clouds reflect heat back into space.”

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